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Time travelling stockbroker!

heheh, read this:

http://tv.yahoo.com/news/wwn/20030319/104808600007.html

...cool, eh? :p

I believe in time travel, but only to the future, and only under certain conditions. (I am also open-minded to the possibility that I am wrong!)

So I believe that guy simply had inside info... what does everyone think about time travel? Do you reckon it's possible that there are people from the future wandering around here right now? Perhaps even posting on these forums? (Ah, DAMN! That's why jkd is so good at JS...! :rolleyes: )

This kinda brings up a lot of 'kill-your-grandfather' paradoxes... I'd love to know what people think about this :)

::] krycek [::

Originally posted by krycek
I believe in time travel, but only to the future, and only under certain conditions. (I am also open-minded to the possibility that I am wrong!)
::] krycek [::

Wow.
$800 x (126trades ÷ 10days) = $350M ?!


"The only way he could pull it off is with illegal inside information. He's going to sit in a jail cell on Rikers Island until he agrees to give up his sources."

How would one go about having that much 'secret insider' information as to be able to pull that off? I think the guy is robbing banks! And what happened to innocent until proven guilty? :eek:



Officials are quite confident the "time-traveler's" claims are bogus. Yet the SEC source admits, "No one can find any record of any Andrew Carlssin existing anywhere before December 2002."

Eh, I'd have to go with them on this one, though. I agree with you krycek, I think time travel is possible only to the future - and no not by cryogenetics - maybe with technologies like an electrostatic bubble, spacetime disruption, etc. One cannot go back in time, just foward. (one can not be their own grandfather)

:thumbsup:

Originally posted by Quiet Storm
Eh, I'd have to go with them on this one, though. I agree with you krycek, I think time travel is possible only to the future - and no not by cryogenetics - maybe with technologies like an electrostatic bubble, spacetime disruption, etc. One cannot go back in time, just foward. (one can not be their own grandfather)

:thumbsup:

heheh, thanks for putting my name in green! :D

When you consider the basic points of relativity with regard to time, space and velocity, and the fact that at a greater speed time essentially passes less quickly, and also the fact that electromagnetic plasmas can create fields that have the same effect, then it certainly looks possible... :)

::] krycek [::

Originally posted by Quiet Storm
I agree with you krycek, I think time travel is possible only to the future - and no not by cryogenetics - maybe with technologies like an electrostatic bubble, spacetime disruption, etc. One cannot go back in time, just foward. (one can not be their own grandfather)

:thumbsup: [/B]

Time travel to the future it's not only possible, it's a reality. I do it every day, with a slow ratio of 1:1, but always to the future ;)

Lest anyone think that article is true look again, it's from the Weekly World News which is one of those tabloids you see at the supermarket checkout aisles. It seems to be a well written article but it's still just the invention of a creative mind and not actual news.

Should've held off on this one for a few days, the first of April would've been a more appropriate time for this thread.

Originally posted by Roy Sinclair
Lest anyone think that article is true look again, it's from the Weekly World News which is one of those tabloids you see at the supermarket checkout aisles. It seems to be a well written article but it's still just the invention of a creative mind and not actual news.

Should've held off on this one for a few days, the first of April would've been a more appropriate time for this thread.

heheh, I had many doubts about it's authenticity but it's at Yahoo, so... :p

I was more interested in using it as a provoking starting point for some interesting debate :)

::] krycek [::

I'll just check my history books, see whether he was convicted or not...

haha!! wow that guy is totally bogus!! lol! and the point that they've never found records of his before 2002!! wow! and he's going to report about Osama bin Laden and AIDS! man this is hilarious!:D:D
have you read Time Travel in Einstein's Universe: The Physical Possibilities of Travel Through Time, by J.Richard Gott? good book.
Speaking realistically it is impossible to travel to the past. only the future is kinda possible.

Originally posted by ASAAKI
haha!! wow that guy is totally bogus!! lol! and the point that they've never found records of his before 2002!! wow! and he's going to report about Osama bin Laden and AIDS! man this is hilarious!:D:D
have you read Time Travel in Einstein's Universe: The Physical Possibilities of Travel Through Time, by J.Richard Gott? good book.
Speaking realistically it is impossible to travel to the past. only the future is kinda possible.

Hey dude! :D Excellent! :D That's one of my favourite books on the subject! :D ...I've read it so much it looks really old :p

Have you read "The search for Schrodinger's Cat" and "Schrodinger's Kittens" - I forgot the author lol

::] krycek [::

John Gribbin.

*cough*lol. nope haven't read that.

Mhtml, bet u just googled it!:p

Originally posted by ASAAKI
*cough*lol. nope haven't read that.

Mhtml, bet u just googled it!:p

Indeed I did.

Originally posted by krycek
Do you reckon it's possible that there are people from the future wandering around here right now? Perhaps even posting on these forums? (Ah, DAMN! That's why jkd is so good at JS...! :rolleyes: )[/COLOR]

I would have brought Mozilla 3.2 beta with me if I came from 2250. :p

As for the possibilities of time travel... we have some Phd's among the physics faculty at my high school, and one has an interesting theory (this guy is good btw, he's worked for NASA solving problems before) about the reason behind the accelerating expansion of the universe having to do with a singularity at the center with time flowing backwards. Matter attracts to one another, however he was talking to me and a friend earlier today about analagous to a current carrying wire, matter with time flowing the same way attract each other (two current carrying wires with the same direction of current attract), while matter with opposite flowing times would repel each other.

Anyhoo, random thing of the day. My high school is awesome. :D

I believe in time travel, but only to the future, and only under certain conditions. (I am also open-minded to the possibility that I am wrong!)





If you think about what you just said, no matter when(where?) you go into the future, it's still the past to a greater future. So in an essance, you're saying that you don't believe in time travel at the same time you are saying you do. Damnit, I just confused myself. >_<

Originally posted by jkd
I would have brought Mozilla 3.2 beta with me if I came from 2250. :p

As for the possibilities of time travel... we have some Phd's among the physics faculty at my high school, and one has an interesting theory (this guy is good btw, he's worked for NASA solving problems before) about the reason behind the accelerating expansion of the universe having to do with a singularity at the center with time flowing backwards. Matter attracts to one another, however he was talking to me and a friend earlier today about analagous to a current carrying wire, matter with time flowing the same way attract each other (two current carrying wires with the same direction of current attract), while matter with opposite flowing times would repel each other.

Anyhoo, random thing of the day. My high school is awesome. :D

Hmmmm, I've heard that theory a while ago but it was very quiet... I certainly don't subscribe to it, simply because of lack of proof. However, there's tonnes of stuff that we don't know about and some of it defies common sense, so it's always good to keep an open mind :)

::] krycek [::

Originally posted by Wizzy
If you think about what you just said, no matter when(where?) you go into the future, it's still the past to a greater future. So in an essance, you're saying that you don't believe in time travel at the same time you are saying you do. Damnit, I just confused myself. >_<

You just confused me, too! :confused:

What I think is that you cannot travel against the flow of time. Sure the future is the past to another future but that's always the case.

OK here is an analogy:

I hope you know about equilibriums and stuff. So, let's say we have two balloons, one with a greater pressure than the other. 'Stuff' (i.e. matter) will flow from one to the other until equilibrium is reached. It would be very hard to go against that flow, perhaps impossible, but not impossible to go a bit faster in the same direction.

It's like a river, too.

There are experiments that demonstrate that certain particles can apparently go backwards in time - but only for a few seconds. Even then there is not 100% proof that that is where they have gone. But even if they did indeed go back, these are subatomic particles, we are humans built out of countless trillions of them. To take that number backwards against what I will call the 'flow' of time - and keep cohesion - would, I think, be impossible.

Whereas, there are a number of thought experiments based on real-world experiements, that show the possibility of travelling forwards in time, i.e. faster than our own normal flow.

For a start we have only got to remember that time is proportional to velocity. An astronaut travelling to Tau Ceti and back at a near-light speed would find that his clone who was left behind had aged more than he had. Experiments with electromagnetics and plasmas etc. have slowed the rate of decay in radioactive elements, plus affected quantum entanglement, in such a way that it appears the same thing is happening, yet somehow without the factors of velocity or distance.

The whole faster-than-light thing is kinda odd anyway, I think. I can walk faster than light. It all depends on what medium the light is in. Light travels slower in air than it does in a vacuum. This is all to do with light being both particle and wave based - i.e. it shares the properties of both in many ways. So, if light in a vacuum is the ultimate limit, can we imagine a situation where the vacuum is LESS of a vacuum? This points to wormhole theory, and there are many ways of approaching it. The thing is, we don't really know if, upon travelling through a wormhole, the time 'spent' (if we measure from the perspective of an outside observer) will be the same as that experienced inside the wormhole, or if it will be as if the traveller has actually travelling the distance at a sub-light speed, i.e. you could travel 110 light years in 2 hours and then come back - so the time you have spent is 4 hours - but the equivalent time that has passed outside may be the same as if you spent 200 years travelling at a near-light speed. Professor Steven Hawking has done some great work on this, as has David Taylor. They have both also done a lot of work on singularities such as black holes, which are real time-benders :p

So my point is that we know so little about time, yet everything we see tends to say "forwards only, backwards no". :)

...thoughts...?

::] krycek [::

I don't understand how there can be a future? It could be a very dodgy and unstable area you go to. What if you're talking to someone in the future, but for some unknown random reason, the person is killed in the past... would the person in the future disappear aswell as his family, house, car, etc? I see the future always changing, one minute you could be in a very populated city, the next it could turn into a nuclear waste land, due to something happening in the past?

all i have to say, is Slaughterhouse 5.

matter with time flowing the same way attract each other (two current carrying wires with the same direction of current attract), while matter with opposite flowing times would repel each other.


So you mean to say that if you flow against time you will be displaced?

Time travel is relatively simple, all you need is to create a worm hole and spin one end. Jump into the spinning end and you will be forward in time, go in the staionary end and you will go back through time. But only to and from the point of time in which you created the worm hole.

Originally posted by Nightfire
I don't understand how there can be a future? It could be a very dodgy and unstable area you go to. What if you're talking to someone in the future, but for some unknown random reason, the person is killed in the past... would the person in the future disappear aswell as his family, house, car, etc? I see the future always changing, one minute you could be in a very populated city, the next it could turn into a nuclear waste land, due to something happening in the past?

Actually the person in the future is already gone, depended upon where he left his time stream and came back to our time stream... His time stream continues moving forward but without him, everything that happened up until that point is still history or part of the past... Which is where paradoxes occur... If you were to go into the past and kill your grandfather, you yourself (and everthing that you knew) would cease to exist at that moment... This goes to the point that your grandfather created your father that created you... Every point linked to that chain of events would be altered and history (from the future perspective) would change...

Me personally I feel that you can go backwards and forwards and sideways (stepping out of the time stream, where you will not only find multiple universes, but also a multitude of time streams) in time, just not with current applications/science... Time itself, can be thought of like a river with a current... The river will always move forward and you will have to propell yourself against the current... Ofcourse the energy needed to accomplish this would be astronomical and it would be easier to accelerate faster than the flow of the stream...

Now as for worm holes and space travelling... Personally I feel that traveling through a wormhole would be experienced by the outside person as an instantaneous event whereas the traveller (depended upon his speed through the anomoly) will have the sensation of travel... Space travel is another thing all together... Someone is going to have to remind me on the whole i travel at the speed of light and more time passes on earth than I notice thing... My mind is just flurrying right now...


Oh and on the guy making the money... It's a hoax... Legally the SEC cannot detain nor jail anyone without any proof... The most they can do is ban him from future trades... They also cannot touch his money since he earned it and again they have no proof of foul play otherwise...

-sage-

Time travel, I think, would almost certainly only be possible if everything in the entire universe was returned to the state it was in $x seconds, minutes, or years ago. The same would be true for going forward in time. If we could calculate the "next moves" of every single atom in the universe, and then somehow accelerate the process, we would all move forward in time.

I guess if we could calculate the next movements of the objects in a room, we could use a computer to speed up the effect and basically watch the future on our monitors.

For this to work, you'd need to know EVERYTHING about the environment the test was being done in. Temperature, wind speed, etc. Then of course you'd have to know every single law of physics and apply it to every object in the environment etc.

That'd work in theory, no? Just need a computer fast enough to compute it all. Faster it is, the faster we could see into the future.

hmmm... i don't think so. a computer couldn't calculate what a person is going to think and do next. what if i'm in that room and i suddenly explode in a temper and decide to throw that chair out the window? :D the computer couldn't know what i was going to do, and hence would predict a very inaccurate future in which objects lived alone in the world without any human interaction.

anyway, take a look at page 1 and 2 of this:
http://paranormal.about.com/library/weekly/aa040802a.htm

Interesting read:

Hubble Pictures Too Crisp, Challenging Theories of Time and Space (http://space.com/scienceastronomy/quantum_bits_030402.html)

Originally posted by ASAAKI
hmmm... i don't think so. a computer couldn't calculate what a person is going to think and do next. what if i'm in that room and i suddenly explode in a temper and decide to throw that chair out the window? :D the computer couldn't know what i was going to do, and hence would predict a very inaccurate future in which objects lived alone in the world without any human interaction.

That so? Doesn't quantum physics dictate which way electrons will go in your brain? Does that mean that you have no free will, and that your every thought can be predicted via an understanding of quantum physics? :)

i'd like to believe my will is a product of my soul, which should be a non-physical entity that isn't restricted to the laws of physics:)

krycek, you shoulda known there's more than JS that points to jason's being from the future. dammit, he's always got a good point to make! :)

if time travel was possible... would we live it first, then once we sent someone back, we would all disappear and end up in a different universe? or, would that person just be sent into a different universe without us? I think #2. If time travel is EVER acheived by earthlings, would we not send people back and correct every single problem humans ever made? Or, would whoever sent by sent into a different universe and effect that then return? Or, if you look at the theory that there are infinite universes. one for every particle in every position, therefor acheiving every possible thing to change....So, if we can jump dimensions, it would appear to be time traveling? But then, you multiply the ammount of positions by the ammount of orders everything can be in(time cut in the smallest possible measure).



-Also, about traveling through galaxies.....
This will probably never be possible, because by the time we can go that fast....The big cycle would have started over and we would all be crushed into the smallest particle possible compacted into the smallest space possible....then it will start all over again?

Well, we have nothing to worry about, In the dimesion where we are infinite times the people we are now, they will come and save us, right? :cool:



Also, you have to graph the technology rate. When we were apes, think how long it took us to just make 1 great new discovery? 50,000 years? now, look from 1900 to now. What do you see in the room you are in? You are probably surrounded by super technology! You can get on the internet and find out about anythnig you want to know. You can call people accross the world on a cordless telephone. You can travel around the world in 2 hours!!! Do you suspect that this technology rate will continue the increase and multiply? Therefor, 200 years in the future would not be unreasonably for us to develop such technology.


If time travel excists, would we not avoid the sun blowing up and all just be resetting time? Send everybody back to when it just started, bringing all the technology..and continue? If we did that, we could eventually become supreme power?


What if the was an "end" and "beginning" to time? What if the traveled beyond that? Would that person just be nothing?


You can ask questions about space forever. We have not seen any aliens, so I think maybe we just die off like every other race, if any, and the cycle repeats itself. Which would stop anybody from getting too smart and controlling the universe(which I am pretty close ;))



hmmm... i don't think so. a computer couldn't calculate what a person is going to think and do next. what if i'm in that room and i suddenly explode in a temper and decide to throw that chair out the window? the computer couldn't know what i was going to do, and hence would predict a very inaccurate future in which objects lived alone in the world without any human interaction.


Then, that can be flawed by someone acting just to prove them wrong?

Would this not just tell us the future anyway, not take us there?

I believe in time travel - but only at a steady pace in a single direction.


There are lots of reasons why time travel couldn't possibly work - first of all, time is an abstract construct that really isn't accurate, since events that happen in one location did not happen at the same time from another viewpoint (or rather viewspeed, to be exact). The notion that time exists is entirely because we have noticed events happening, spaced out along an axis that isn't space - as we know it. Problem is, time is relative to a lot of different things - but an event can't really have happened five minutes ago for one person, and seven minutes ago for another, can it? At least, that's what our mind, through logic, would deduce. It's wrong though - at least if you believe Einstein.

That means that time travel isn't really possible - but time "spacing" is. The length of a minute in one system is one minute for something that is moving at consistent speed relative to the system, but it is NOT one minute for anything that accelerates - it can be shorter or longer depending on whether the aceleration is negative or positive. The minute will always be a minute relative to the system, no matter how long it was relative to the accelerating thing, however. That's why time travel can't work - but slowing down or speeding up time could.

But that's not to say we'll always have a corporeal existence; we might evolve into pure light :)

That sure is weird. I have never heard anything quite like that before.

I also believe in time travel, and I believe that that there are millions of time dimensions, each millisecods between eachother, sorta thing. I know what I mean, but It will probably cofuse anyone else.

I believe in traveling to the past aswell, although the future does seem more possible. because the past has been 'written'.

Its hard for me to say what I think. I could say that I think our future is written too, because I think we exist in several time dimensions. But you think of the slightest changes and thoughts that influence our entire lives, it seems hard to imagine.

Was this post written? Was I 'destined' to write this post.

If we ever manage to travel in time, is that written too? I think so. If we travel into the future and effect our future in some way, it will already be written to our future, becuase to change our future it must have happened in a different dimension.


I hope Im not going off topic here, and I hope that a few of you will understand this and reply. I like discussing paradox's ( is that spelt right ? ) and things like that. It is always very interesting. :)


Someone mentioned 'When we were apes'.

I am not a Christian and I do believe in Darwins theory, but what if we were created by some superpower. ( like God or mattover-matter :D )

Originally posted by missing-score
I am not a Christian and I do believe in Darwins theory, but what if we were created by some superpower. ( like God or mattover-matter :D )

Don't be silly, and don't blaspheme :mad:

We're all in the cult of CF here - WA is the mighty creator, and the mods are his high priests. :D

::] krycek [::

I wasn't blaspheming.

Sorry, I have complete respect for everones religion and I hope I did not offend anyone by saying that I am not a christian.

* BOWS DOWN TO WA AND BEGS FOR FORGIVENESS.

Originally posted by missing-score
I wasn't blaspheming.

Sorry, I have complete respect for everones religion and I hope I did not offend anyone by saying that I am not a christian.

* BOWS DOWN TO WA AND BEGS FOR FORGIVENESS.

um, you did know that I was joking... you did, right? :p

And you did understand that the whole thing was a joke - I meant you blasphemed against WA and the cult of CF...?

ah well, never mind :)

::] krycek [::

Oh. darn. I feel such an idiot now.

before I posted a message on someones board saying I was not a christian and it offended loads of people and I got banned.

doh. :rolleyes: Umm, mods, oh sorry priests, can you delete the last 3 posts lol. :D

Originally posted by missing-score
Oh. darn. I feel such an idiot now.

before I posted a message on someones board saying I was not a christian and it offended loads of people and I got banned.

doh. :rolleyes: Umm, mods, oh sorry priests, can you delete the last 3 posts lol. :D

strewth that's harsh! :eek:

I guess those guys never heard of freedom of speech, freedom of expression, freedom of religion...!

I don't think anyone here cares what you believe in a religious sense. So long as you don't try to offend anyone, you'll find that people round here can take a joke :D

so don't worry too much about it :)

::] krycek [::

cheers krycek.

I understand now!!! I do not beleive in god, because I AM god!!!

My eyes have been closed this entire time, thank you!

Are you sure? Maybe your the god of your world. firepages is the CF PHP God, so there are many gods.

I wouldn't bow down to you lol. :p

missing_score,



Was this post written? Was I 'destined' to write this post.

so you believe all your code is already written? Why are you going to make somany mistakes then.

Man, you should cut back on the sugar :). Or stop eating everything that grows in your garden. Some of the mushrooms seem to be kicking in.


I also believe in time travel, and I believe that that there are millions of time dimensions, each millisecods between eachother, sorta thing. I know what I mean, but It will probably
cofuse anyone else.

Confusing? You're freaking me out. I'm glad you're somewhere far away:D
Seriously; its kind a like Diedekinds theorema of the liniar compression, but then in a timeperspectif. Thats quite an interesting thought.

The theorema goes:
if there's an infinite amount of numbers, then you can split up the interval between the numbers into an infinit number of intervals.
Between 1 and 2, you've got an infinite serie of numbers. And between each of these two intervals, you again have an infinite number of intervals.

Now who would have thought of that? Image time being the same? If time is infinite, then you can split up the interval between two seconds into an infinite number of secondfragments. And the same for the timedifference between two of them. So what's the smallest timeinterval?

I cant help freaking people out. It happens at school all the time, mainly with girls :p .



Why are you going to make somany mistakes then.


Becuase In the dimension that I am in, I have not yet done that yet. My mistakes in coding are written into the future.

That theory you spoke of is interesting. When I said millions, I didn't mean literally millions, more like infinate anyway. ( Try imagining infinity :) )










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